I completely agree with you that Vance’s sympathetic to supportive stance towards Israel is a MAJOR red flag. However, what Republican doesn’t participate in the Zionist circle jerk? It’s shameful. The second we have a real leader who stands up to their nefarious and unAmerican agenda, they will have my (and likely millions of other American’s) full support.
I just don’t understand how the Christians in this country have found themselves captured, enslaved, and doing the bidding of Jews who think of the goyim (Christians) as subhuman.
Yea, when looking at policy it is almost like Vivek and Vance were an A/B test. Vivek called for ending aid for Israel too (on the basis of America First and ‘better for Israel’ ) and i think AIPAC said ‘no way’!
Carefully thought and well-written puece, thank you. Trump and Vance lose my vote on their pro-Zionist positions, as you say sacrificing all their other positions to make Israel ascendant. Zionism has always been bald-faced colonialism. A good question for Trump and Vance would be: "Do you support the slaughter of native Americans during the colonialist settlement of our nation?" Because thst is exactly what the warmongering Zionists have done in Palestine since the 1800s.
Thank you! I honestly think anything happening now is much worse than things that happened in the past. We KNOW right from wrong, we’ve had plenty of history lessons. Even worse, we know what’s happening as it happens! It’s a choice today and too many choose evil.
To try to blame the civilian victims on Hamas is so against his usual level of intelligence. It is like saying if the police torches an entire building because a hostage taker has hidden inside with 5 hostages and 100 members of his community that all these deaths are not gross and illegal mishandling of the situation by the police, but solely the hostage takers's responsibility. It's ludicrous.
What happens if the police then rebuilds the building and moves in themselves, tossing most of the survivors of the original community out?
Will Vance support ethnic cleansing and Israeli settlement of Gaza? Is that the plan?
I think with Vance, we can see just how impactful donors are. We see he can understand and even write about why we shouldn't support Ukraine, but then he acts like Mitch McConnel on Israel, it is really sad to see. I hope (though doubt) that the wave of 'America First' pushes them away from the donor class they serve. I wrote an article on the myth of the zionist voter here: https://www.diligent.news/p/the-zionist-voter .
I think that reality of a multipolar world is what will break our hold on the Middle East, i have little hope left in our politicians doing the right thing...
I'm not sure I'm totally buying it. You rely heavily on polling data. I want to put against that 2 anecdotal observations:
When crazy Giuliani just embarrassed himself with his insane rant at the Madison Square Garden about "2-year-old Palestinians trained to kill Americans" and how "Israel stands with the US" etc. you heard the clapping. It was not super intense but it was there. What wasn't there was booing.
Same if you go on Truth social in the big groups there and post pro-Palestinian content (which I did) you hardly get likes but you get crazy lunatics frantically backfiring.
Even if the poll numbers you show are indeed true the pro-Israel side has a much bigger voice inside of Rep voters, maybe inproportionate to the real numbers. I see this only indirectly linked to donors, more to decades of programming in media, education and religion.
So instead of looking at Jews (who are few), Christian Zionists (who often don't vote) and Americans in general (which inlcudes (D) and (Ind) voters as well as non-voters) I think to find the Zionist voter you have to specifically look at Trump/ Vance's core base: Republican voters. I guess if you pull their statistics you will find a significant pro-Israeli bias that a Rep candidate can't risk to lose.
Not denying other factors like Jewish donors, AIPAC and other lobbies and also (often overlooked) the strong pro-Israeli bias in groups like freemasons and Rosecrucians (building of Salomons Temple/ prophecy) who all directly influence the political establsihment.
You are right that 'Republicans' by and large are supportive of Israel, but I don't think they are ideologically supportive. I mean if you spell it out for them how bad it is for America, they would be against it. I think a LOT of the support that Republicans have for israel actually comes from a partisan standpoint, not an ideological one. The ideological core is small. If Trump came out tomorrow and said that it was 'better for America' to support a two state solution on the 1967 borders so we don't have to keep spending money and fighting wars for israel, i think 90% of his voters would jump camp, the other 10% would grumble and vote for him anyway. Not to send you down a never ending rabbit hole of reading my articles, but this one is written specifically to show what is actually best for America and though i assume it resonates with 'both parties' I think the Republicans are VERY close to being on the same page (at least in their rhetoric). https://www.diligent.news/p/american-victory
I agree. Partisan thinking and some resting Islamophobia (9/11, "terrorists"" and such) among Republican voters are much stronger factors of support for Israel than ideological alignment. Nonetheless Trump wasn't gonna lose votres over this. I wonder how his policies will now be regarding the MidEast?
I agree that the "Israel exception" is a big red flag for Vance and how influenced he is by the Israeli lobby. It seems like politics as usual which has been a disaster for US foreign policy in the middle east.
However, I have wondered whether his strong anti-Iran stance is more bluster than he leads on. China is obviously the 800-pound gorilla threat in challenging the US hegemony in dictating the world order. Russia is second threat to the US on the world stage. If the US were to militarily focus on Iran, it'd severely hamper its ability to threaten China and Russia. Therefore, I'm leaning more towards the view that the future Trump administration's actions towards Iran are more likely to be a stronger sanctions regime and potentially limited military operations, like the Suleiman assassination.
I completely agree with you that Vance’s sympathetic to supportive stance towards Israel is a MAJOR red flag. However, what Republican doesn’t participate in the Zionist circle jerk? It’s shameful. The second we have a real leader who stands up to their nefarious and unAmerican agenda, they will have my (and likely millions of other American’s) full support.
I just don’t understand how the Christians in this country have found themselves captured, enslaved, and doing the bidding of Jews who think of the goyim (Christians) as subhuman.
Yea, when looking at policy it is almost like Vivek and Vance were an A/B test. Vivek called for ending aid for Israel too (on the basis of America First and ‘better for Israel’ ) and i think AIPAC said ‘no way’!
Carefully thought and well-written puece, thank you. Trump and Vance lose my vote on their pro-Zionist positions, as you say sacrificing all their other positions to make Israel ascendant. Zionism has always been bald-faced colonialism. A good question for Trump and Vance would be: "Do you support the slaughter of native Americans during the colonialist settlement of our nation?" Because thst is exactly what the warmongering Zionists have done in Palestine since the 1800s.
Thank you! I honestly think anything happening now is much worse than things that happened in the past. We KNOW right from wrong, we’ve had plenty of history lessons. Even worse, we know what’s happening as it happens! It’s a choice today and too many choose evil.
I really liked your article.
Vance's views on the Israeli wars are very concerning, especially regarding Gaza.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/trump-vp-pick-jd-vance-aims-to-balance-israel-support-with-america-first-mantra/
To try to blame the civilian victims on Hamas is so against his usual level of intelligence. It is like saying if the police torches an entire building because a hostage taker has hidden inside with 5 hostages and 100 members of his community that all these deaths are not gross and illegal mishandling of the situation by the police, but solely the hostage takers's responsibility. It's ludicrous.
What happens if the police then rebuilds the building and moves in themselves, tossing most of the survivors of the original community out?
Will Vance support ethnic cleansing and Israeli settlement of Gaza? Is that the plan?
I think with Vance, we can see just how impactful donors are. We see he can understand and even write about why we shouldn't support Ukraine, but then he acts like Mitch McConnel on Israel, it is really sad to see. I hope (though doubt) that the wave of 'America First' pushes them away from the donor class they serve. I wrote an article on the myth of the zionist voter here: https://www.diligent.news/p/the-zionist-voter .
I think that reality of a multipolar world is what will break our hold on the Middle East, i have little hope left in our politicians doing the right thing...
Very interesting article of yours here.
I'm not sure I'm totally buying it. You rely heavily on polling data. I want to put against that 2 anecdotal observations:
When crazy Giuliani just embarrassed himself with his insane rant at the Madison Square Garden about "2-year-old Palestinians trained to kill Americans" and how "Israel stands with the US" etc. you heard the clapping. It was not super intense but it was there. What wasn't there was booing.
Same if you go on Truth social in the big groups there and post pro-Palestinian content (which I did) you hardly get likes but you get crazy lunatics frantically backfiring.
Even if the poll numbers you show are indeed true the pro-Israel side has a much bigger voice inside of Rep voters, maybe inproportionate to the real numbers. I see this only indirectly linked to donors, more to decades of programming in media, education and religion.
So instead of looking at Jews (who are few), Christian Zionists (who often don't vote) and Americans in general (which inlcudes (D) and (Ind) voters as well as non-voters) I think to find the Zionist voter you have to specifically look at Trump/ Vance's core base: Republican voters. I guess if you pull their statistics you will find a significant pro-Israeli bias that a Rep candidate can't risk to lose.
Not denying other factors like Jewish donors, AIPAC and other lobbies and also (often overlooked) the strong pro-Israeli bias in groups like freemasons and Rosecrucians (building of Salomons Temple/ prophecy) who all directly influence the political establsihment.
You are right that 'Republicans' by and large are supportive of Israel, but I don't think they are ideologically supportive. I mean if you spell it out for them how bad it is for America, they would be against it. I think a LOT of the support that Republicans have for israel actually comes from a partisan standpoint, not an ideological one. The ideological core is small. If Trump came out tomorrow and said that it was 'better for America' to support a two state solution on the 1967 borders so we don't have to keep spending money and fighting wars for israel, i think 90% of his voters would jump camp, the other 10% would grumble and vote for him anyway. Not to send you down a never ending rabbit hole of reading my articles, but this one is written specifically to show what is actually best for America and though i assume it resonates with 'both parties' I think the Republicans are VERY close to being on the same page (at least in their rhetoric). https://www.diligent.news/p/american-victory
I agree. Partisan thinking and some resting Islamophobia (9/11, "terrorists"" and such) among Republican voters are much stronger factors of support for Israel than ideological alignment. Nonetheless Trump wasn't gonna lose votres over this. I wonder how his policies will now be regarding the MidEast?
Solid write up. Thanks.
Thank you!
I agree that the "Israel exception" is a big red flag for Vance and how influenced he is by the Israeli lobby. It seems like politics as usual which has been a disaster for US foreign policy in the middle east.
However, I have wondered whether his strong anti-Iran stance is more bluster than he leads on. China is obviously the 800-pound gorilla threat in challenging the US hegemony in dictating the world order. Russia is second threat to the US on the world stage. If the US were to militarily focus on Iran, it'd severely hamper its ability to threaten China and Russia. Therefore, I'm leaning more towards the view that the future Trump administration's actions towards Iran are more likely to be a stronger sanctions regime and potentially limited military operations, like the Suleiman assassination.